Stories about Thollem (and everyone else) [2/2] ~ The Free Jazz Collective


Thollem. Photo by ACVilla

By David Cristol

See part 1 here.

Listening to music

Sometimes I do, sometimes I don’t. It depends on how involved I am on any
given project, which is pretty much all the time. Because of our travels, I
have the great fortune to hear a lot of music that I might not otherwise be
exposed to, as well as a lot of live settings, and this is an important
part of my life and musical development. An indelible memory is listening
to records at the library when I was a kid, and I had a pretty eclectic
record collection as well.

Interests and influences

I am more influenced by elements outside of music than by music made by
others. Also, very curious about popular science, ancient archeology,
quantum physics, astronomy… Everything between the birth canal and the
eventuality of death – so they say. I very much love working with artists
of other disciplines, and learn a lot when interacting! One of the great
benefits of being an artist is that there is always the potential to
assimilate all of our experiences and interests. 

Photo by ACVilla


A sense of fun

I’m glad you hear a sense of fun in my music. At the very least, fun is a
real-life experience just as are all the “serious” topics, emotions,
approaches. I think, “does humor belong in music?” is a serious
question, though I don’t normally necessarily intend for my music to be
humorous. I love music and I love making music with others, it’s where I
find joy and relief from suffering, and want to spread this to others. That
said, it is also because of how serious I do take it. When we stop to look
at life from the human perspective we see constant contradictions
underlying it all. For me the little revolutions and the big revolution HAS
to include more joy, but at the same time it HAS to include more justice,
which is deadly serious.

Shared values

Fortunately, in my line of work, there are endless colleagues I enjoy being
and working with. This doesn’t mean that I shy away from disagreements or
challenging situations, in fact I am constantly finding – or putting –
myself into challenging situations. Growth comes through both the abrasive
nature of life as well as the joy we share. Generally, musicians and artists
have pretty similar political views, at least in my circles. The pandemic
and vaccines created a bit of a divide, for sure. It is important to work
with people that share similar viewpoints, especially in this moment in
time, because our values come through in our expression, and we are living
in such a politically perilous moment. I would always hope, however, that
nuance in disagreements can be a way to learn and grow. There are certainly
people who work harder towards social issues and justice than others and
there’s definitely a lot of performative actions with little substance. But
this goes with all of humanity. We are all trying to navigate this crazy
thing we call life, and it’s not easy for anyone. That said, I would never
work with a MAGA supporter, partly because I can’t imagine we would have
enough in common to want to create together but also because I wouldn’t
want to validate their political beliefs by association.


Improvisation, composition and “comprovisation”

I came up with the “comprovisation” term and put it in some credits, but I
don’t think of it as original. It’s both an efficient and playful way to
describe my approach to music. Where does composition stop and
improvisation begin? In some ways I prefer it to the term improvisation,
because I think most improvised music is actually quite composed, at least
in the sense that in almost every situation, there are preconceived ideas
of how musicians will approach their instruments and how they will interact
with each other. But of course, it’s not very helpful in the long run if
it’s not a common term, and it’s especially unhelpful if the goal is to
reach out into the society at large. So, I don’t really use it that often.

A composition is something with a set of parameters that creates an outcome
that is distinguishable from any other, no matter how slight. Improvisation
is constantly happening in every aspect of the world. Sometimes I use the
term instant composition, either for creative or bureaucratic reasons.
Certainly, it’s a shame that more emphasis is placed on composition by
institutions financially. Though I came out of the hyper-composed world of
classical music, and have degrees in composition, I believe improvised music
has pushed the boundaries equally or even more so. And it was also an
integral aspect of the development of classical music for centuries.


Solo piano

My solo piano work is the result of my lifelong practice. When I was young
I dreamt of re-establishing the concept of composer/performer that used to
be such an important part of what we call classical music.

George Antheil

was kind of my hero for a while, and then I began to realize that this was
alive and well in the overall scope of jazz. Somewhere along the way it all
merged for me, composition and improvisation, European concert music and
black American music. I have a bunch of recordings out there, most recently
Infinite-Sum Game on ESP-Disk’ which is a concert recording in
Palermo in 2023.


Synthesizers and electronics

I am primarily inspired by exploring the possibilities of a particular
instrument. I was dedicated to the piano for most of my life and didn’t
record with an electric rig until about twelve years ago. I decided to take
the leap and ended up owning about thirty different rigs. Synthesizers,
samplers and mechanical instruments with pedals. Since I live on the road I
owned only one at a time, so I was buying, exploring, recording, and
selling, then buying a different one and so on. I’ve been working with the
Korg Wavestate for about five years now – I’ve had about eight of them with
other instruments in between – and have been working a lot utilizing my own
recordings as sample sources which developed out of

The Light Is Real

, for which Terry and I recorded vocal improvisations virtually. His files
were corrupted, so I chopped them up, imported them into the Wavestate and
played them back through the keyboard with effects. Terry loved it and that
gave me the idea to do this with samples from all five of the trio albums
with Nels, William Parker, Michael Wimberly and Pauline Oliveros. ESP-Disk’
released the first two Worlds in A Life volumes.

Live in Dublin

/ WFMU Live will be coming out on a Limerick-based label in June.

Song and other writing

Most people who know my work do not know that I’m also a
singer-songwriter. It definitely hasn’t been my emphasis, but I have been
writing songs since I was a very young. I’m the lead singer of Tsigoti, as
well as with the Hand To Man Band (Mike Watt, John Dieterich and Tim
Barnes) and on solo albums such as Machine in the Ghost and Hot Pursuit of Happiness’ This Day’s Called Tuesday, both on the Personal Archives label from Iowa and on a brand new album I’m
self-releasing on Bandcamp called Oligarch Super Villains. Most of my songs are socio-policital commentary, anti-war, and
philosophy, but I’m starting to work on an autobiographical album called Godammit Tommy! which is centered on my upbringing in the SF Bay Area and the political
and cultural happenings, drawing parallels to the dynamics of our time
now. Other than that, I have been published as a writer, most recently for
a publication out of the UK called The Land, about experiencing the
transition from the Valley Of Heart’s Delight to Silicon Valley as a
teenager. Over the last decade I have been the sole music writer for First
American Art Magazine which is devoted to native artists of the Americas,
as well as Essays on Deep Listening (for Pauline Oliveros), Blue Moon Magazine out of Prague, and ThreeFold Press out of Detroit.

Vision Festival and the New York scene

The common ground is the world of sound and our shared humanity. The beauty
of freely improvised music is that everyone is coming at it with the idea
that we are entering into a known/unknown territory, where exploration and
connection with each other is key. William Parker and I first met in
Detroit when I opened up for his trio at the old Bohemian National Home and
we continued our friendship over the years. He had contributed a
composition to Estamos Ensemble, a group of U.S. and Mexican musicians I
put together, and eventually I asked if he would like to play with me and
Nels Cline. I used to play a lot in New York but I haven’t so much in the
last few years, mostly because I’m no longer traveling around the country
in our van. It was a thrill to record with Karl Berger[1935-2023].
We were talking about a follow-up recording before he died. A great honor,
and I cherish this one recording we made. I also have a couple of albums
with Michael Snow, another dearly departed. One was
recorded at the Philly Museum of Art to open his retrospective show, and
was released by Edgetone Records, and the other one is part of my Astral
Traveling Sessions that we recorded at Array in Toronto and published on
Astral Spirits as part of a 25-album series of collaborations with many
different musicians in 2019 and released during the pandemic.
 

Photo by ACVilla

It was great playing at the 2024 edition of the Vision Festival. I was able
to attend the entirety of the fest. The first night was in honor of William
who performed with a variety of his projects and ensembles, and I played on
the last night, which also included the Sun Ra Arkestra and

Marshall Allen

for his 100th birthday celebration! I performed a solo piano set as well as
Worlds in A Life along with live video art by ACVilla. 


Upcoming projects

This month a duo album is coming out with Carlo Mascolo, a
trombonist from Puglia as well as a new Hot Pursuit of Happiness – my solo
songs project – album. This album is pretty political. In March I have a
duo album with the Uruguayan contrabassist Alvaro Rosso.
These are comprovisations based on the structures I devised originally for
my duo with Stefano Scodanibbio. We have a concert in Lisbon March 20th. In
April will also see the release of Omnileliomatic II with the
SIO. We will be celebrating this with a concert in Catania and another in
Palermo organized by Curva Minore, the organization founded by Lelio
Gianneto. I will also be playing duo concerts with

Maria Merlino

, a wonderful saxophonist from Messina to celebrate our duo album on Setola
di Maiale. The label is run by Stefano Giust, a great
drummer whom I originally met in a trio with

Edoardo Marraffa

. We call ourselves Magimc. Other releases coming out include my first
heavy metal album with a band called Akklamation from the Navajo Nation. I
got to know them through Diné [the name Navajos call themselves]
musician Michael Begay whom I’ve been collaborating with
for several years. In September I will be directing the second installment
of the Southwest Collaborative Music Convergence which brings together over
twenty musicians for three days of collaborations. Everyone is invited as
individuals and we play three large ensemble concerts at night as well as
smaller groupings, panel discussions, and educational programs. I am also
working with Cork Marcheschi, a visual artist and founding
member of the 1960s experimental rock band 50-Foot Hose for the next
Thollem/Cline trio album. Cork has built an array of mechanical noisemakers
and Nels and I will be playing in response to these!


Further meditations

We live in an increasingly perilous moment in time. I believe the arts have
an integral role to play in re-envisioning our relationship with each other
and the planet. I would encourage everyone to be more curious about what’s
happening in smaller pockets, places outside of the cultural meccas, and in
your own home town. In all of my travels I have had the privilege to
experience artists and communities in small cities and rural areas which
are all too often ignored by the larger publications, festivals and
audiences. I’ve always thought of counter-culture as something that is
truly counter to the anti-values of so much of mainstream culture. I’m
afraid to say however, that much of that has been lost to previous eras.
The world of improvised and experimental music has adopted many of the same
tactics and dynamics of consumerist society: There has been an accumulation
of wealth in power. We have our own 1%, as well as cult of personality and
celebrity worship, and as a result many beautiful artists are left behind.
It should always be about the work itself, not about where you come from,
and especially not what resources you have to throw at publicists. I know
dynamics are difficult in our world and there are many pressures, and I am
not suggesting that those who have the attention are not deserving it, but
it seems to me that there should be more curiosity for what is happening in
the more obscure parts of the world.


Upcoming albums (2025)

  • Oligarch Super Villains

    Thollem’s Hot Pursuit Of Happiness (January)

  • Quattro Frecce e Buonanotte

    Duo with Carlo Mascolo on Muzic Plus (January)

  • Shatter and Conquer

    Thollem’s Hot Pursuit Of Happiness (February)

  • Memories of Ourselves

    Duo with Alvaro Rosso on Setola di Maiale (March)

  • OmniLelioMatic II

    with the Sicilian Improvisers Orchestra on Setola di Maiale (April)

  • Untitled

    trio with Jacopo Andreini and Charles Ferris on Bandcamp (May)

  • Worlds in A Life Live

    (Solo Sextet) on Fort Evil Fruit

  • Ohms

    with Akklamation (Heavy Metal band from the Navajo Nation) on TBA


Live in 2025

  • Mar 7 (Urbana, IL) @ University of Illinois –

    Workshop

    with Improvisers Exchange Ensemble
  • Mar 8 (Urbana, IL) @ University of Illinois –

    ‘Stories About People And Everyone Else’

    (with ACVilla)
  • Mar 9 (Chicago, IL) @ The Hungry Brain – Trio with Matt
    Lux and Avreeayl Ra
  • Mar 12 (Detroit, MI) @ Trinosophes – Solo Piano
  • Mar 20 (Lisbon, PT) @ Casa do Comum – Duo with Alvaro
    Rosso (release concert for Memories Of Ourselves) and

    ‘Stories About People And Everyone Else’

    (With ACVilla)
  • Mar 27 (Strasbourg, FR) @ Conservatoire de Strasbourg

    Workshop

    plus concert with Tom Mays and Jean-Daniel Hege
  • Mar 31 (Zurich, CH) @ XENIX Thollem/ACVilla’s

    ‘Stories About People And Everyone Else’
  • Apr 3 – 5 (Bologna, IT) @ Centro di Ricerca
    Interdisciplinary Sulla Voce – residency in collaboration with Francesco
    Venturi
  • Apr 6 (Bologna, IT) @ Centro di Ricerca Interdisciplinary
    Sulla Voce – duo with Francesco Venturi
  • Apr 10 (Catania, IT) @ Zo with the Sicilian Improvisers
    Orchestra
  • Apr 11 (Palermo, IT) Sala Perriera Cantieri Culturali alla
    Zisa by Curva Minore – with the Sicilian Improvisers Orchestra
  • Apr 12 (Palermo, IT) @ Sala Perriera Cantieri Culturali
    alla Zisa by Curva Minore – Duo with Maria Merlino for the release on Setola
    di Maiale
  • Sep 18 – 20 (Flagstaff, AZ) @ Coconino Center for the Arts
    co-Directing the Southwest Collaborative Music Convergence along with
    Interference Series

Solo piano (Kuumbwa Jazz Club, 2019):

Thollem on the Free Jazz Blog: 

  • Thollem’s Astral Travelling Sessions with Alex Cline & Susan Alcorn
    (Astral Spirits, 2021) ****

  • Ribbons of Euphoria, Music Unlimited 31 Festival, Wels, Austria, Nov.
    10-12, 2017 (Part 2 of 2)

  • Rob Mazurek – Rome (Clean Feed, 2017) & Chimeric Stoned Horn
    (Astral Spirits, 2017) ****½

  • Thollem | Mazurek – Blind Curves and Box Canyons (Relative Pitch, 2017)
    ****

  • William Parker & Stefano Scodanibbio – Bass Duo (AUM Fidelity,
    2017) *****

  • Nels Cline – Lovers (Blue Note, 2016) ***½
  • Over the Pavement: Detroit’s Festival of Art Music (Tom Weber Films,
    2015) ****

  • Magimc – Area Sismica (Setola Di Maiale, 2015) ***1/2
  • Thollem McDonas & Markus Hunt – Adobe (Edgetone, 2016) ***½
  • Thollem/Cline/Wimberly – Radical Empathy (Relative Pitch, 2015) ****
  • Estamos Trio – People’s Historia (Relative Pitch, 2013) ****
  • Piano solo
  • Thollem, Parker, Cline – The Gowanus Session (Porter, 2012) ***½
  • Piano, piano, piano
  • Piano & piano – the aristocratic art
  • The Naked Future – Gigantomachia (ESP, 2009) ****





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